My benefit. Has ALB degree tuition cost gone up similarly? As a follow up question. You also imply, and somewhat backup the above saying, that kids are playing the game that is elite higher education. Oh, I guess we’ll have to table this discussion as “someone” refuses to supply their credentials and loses by default. I also think “Harvard University Extension School” (per the official guidelines for the ALM in Management) is acceptable. But “Extension” is clearly stated in both cases. An employer may want to see what you focused your graduate education on, but a “Master of Liberal Arts in Extension Studies” diploma does not immediately convey the same message to someone as, say, a “Master of Business Administration”, a “Master of Science in Computer Science”, or a “Master of Finance” does to prospective employers. As I have noted elsewhere on this blog, it’s not just the ALM in Management program that lacks this requirement. It seems that many (if not all) “professional” programs have ditched it. This solution balances the finical books for the school. Do Extension School graduates go on to complete advanced degrees at Harvard's other professional schools? The university is trying to sell students a second degree once they graduate. *n.b.,Extension degree holders are in no way ashamed of Extension, we just do not want to risk the descrimination that may potentially result from the uninformed ignorance by others, ones who may withhold deserving employment opportunities, by grossly assuming a substandard Harvard education (as if that is even possible). – Harvard Alumni. I had no problem being accepted into excellent “traditional” graduate programs and completing them before having kids. Academics; Graduate Degrees. When confronted they always plead ignorance and make the same BS argument about how they took classes on campus at Harvard taught by faculty and blah, blah, blah. How many want to work at XXXX to learn teamwork, public relations, and other life skills to help carve a path? I have seen Harvard Extension School students complain about this (“The professor was not accessible and this was not explained prior to the start of the class. People decide to trust the Tylenol brand more. I first took a creative writing class through the summer school, but then moved over to history and was hooked. Is the ALM/Master of Liberal Arts program challenging? Dropping my mic here. In Boston I guess people get picky about Extension vs. the day program – once you’re out of Boston they don’t really care how you did it, just that you did it. while 90g is pennies to elite kids, 30g was a TON for me. However, the summer school offers it. Posted Harvard Extension School résumé guidelines are bogus, September 2013. Harvard says Bachelor of Liberal Arts in Extension Studies which is false since there is no such thing as ‘Extension studies’, It should be labeled as (in my opinion): So, at least you are not getting a stupid certificate name like “Graduate Certificate in Extension Studies”, but rather something like “Professional Certificate in Data Science” or “Graduate Certificate in American Literature and Culture”. – It is a darn shame all about a name written on a resume. The sender is: Harvard University You make the assumption that not listing “extension” correlates with the graduate’s attempt to purposely fool the resume-reviewer (and you offer no weight to other side, which I have presented ad nauseum here: the fact that listing “extension” suggests we SHOULD/NEED to list it, which inherently equals devaluation in the long run). I know that LinkedIn has an address to report people who have faked credentials, and my university has one as well. …They no longer want you listing the concentration whatsoever. When scholars from the year 2058 look back on the current state of academic research and the dissemination of knowledge, they surely will marvel at the fact that so much of it remained oriented toward printed words on paper. Winner of a silver Ben Franklin award for excellence in publishing. I have been discussing enrollment at Boston University with an admissions counselor, but their program can cost almost $10,000 more than HES! Now, you might feel that’s fair that every student who graduates does not major but rather graduates “in Extension studies”, but that’s not fair to advertise the diversity of studies and then on the back-end pull that distinction. Harvard Extension faculty and the Harvard Instructor requirement, December 2014). It is worth every penny, and I wouldn’t trade it for anything. Copyright © 2020 The President and Fellows of Harvard College, Extension School Resume & Cover Letter Guide. Bachelor of Liberal Arts in (Management, Economics etc. As somebody who has personally on-boarded somebody claiming an HES degree as a HGSAS degree, I can tell you that this is pure bullwack. None of your failed points holds weight against the reality that you can graduate from any University and get a job. > But to answer your inquiry more fully, if I read it correctly, against the U-Mass degree, I’ll take the HES ALB. Per Harvard Extension School: On your résumé, the degree name may be listed as either: Bachelor [or Master] of Liberal Arts, Harvard University Extension School. You make the assumption that not listing “extension” dictates that the resume-reviewer will (or likely will) assume we went to Harvard College (etc.). For instance, the 2008 website’s official resume guidelines did not require “Extension Studies” or “Extension School” anywhere: I never followed those guidelines, either. HES has been conceived to democratize high education to the people who do not have access to it otherwise. Robert, I’m going to disagree with you regarding selective admissions. That said, Harvard may want to eliminate the program just to control the flies. Since the board probably doesn’t think this is a “real” problem just yet, and the degree candidates are just now starting to amass momentum (again), I think we are possibly looking at decades for final resolution (or in the blink of an eye by Harvard’s clock). Either Harvard is taking peoples’ money, granting them degrees and then subtly sneering at their own graduates or, from the other perspective, Harvard is dilluting their brand. Just go to Johns Hopkins University. In addition to that, HES acts as a kind of employee-incentive program. Mine. get over it. What would be your advice to someone who lives out West and is considering either pursuing the ALB at HES with an emphasis in philosophy & ethics or pursuing a fully online BA in Philosophy from ASU that is the same exact degree as on-campus? Can you save their jobs? I know the discipline a 13 year old has to have to do homework every night while playing a sport and being in an after school club, at an elite college prep program. z�!7�K and it is not easy and requires skills and maturity not many traditional students have. No one in the ALM world does so, not Stanford, Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, U of Penn, et. the non-degree student will be designated “Harvard Community Student.” Be creative, there are so many options). Completely different letters.. So why can’t the board treat HES students exactly the same as traditional students? >It is also odd that the choice seems to be that HES is either fully Harvard, as good as the College or the medical school, or a total fraud. or would 2 courses be manageable in Biology? I was aware of that from the very beginning, but didn’t expect to that so few companies actually work with foreigners without experience. Employers have the right to know the difference between those who have fared well in rigorous classes (Harvard College and HES grads), and those who have demonstrated a particular mindset necessary to break into a very competitive system (Harvard College students who have won acceptance over a broad set of their peers vs. HES students). Firstly, when the Lowell Institute was created in the 1830’s (later HES in the 1900’s), the goal was to “extend” a tier-1 educational opportunity to those non-traditional students who couldn’t otherwise afford it, or meet the schedule requirements of the traditional classroom. And we should know whats general perception is. And it’s not just me. When you say that “most” of HES students misrepresent their degree, first of all it is a lie, and it is an insult to the HES community. I bet Harvard would have reaped the benefits 10-fold a lot sooner than they did. My point here, is that listing something unfamiliar or odd on my resume prompts questions from EVERYONE who sees it, even it might not matter to 95% of those who view my resume. Why put people through that? • You give SATs (and what ever other testing scores) that prove during your adolescent years, you were able to be focus and can possibly handle the course load. Growing up across from WTC during 9/11, I joined the military for five years directly after high school. Sam, I think this is a great point. If I had to hire one of two applicants for my accounting firm and one said hire me because I got good grades in high school and was active in the community (real Harvard applicant), and the other said I have years of experience in accounting and will work for three months to prove myself to you and if you don’t like what you see I will leave (HES applicant) I would hire the latter.

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